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Then-Indiana Gov. Mike Pence talks with South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg during a visit in South Bend, Ind., on May 1, 2015. (Robert Franklin/South Ben Tribune/AP)

The week-long back and forth between Vice President Pence and 2020 Democratic presidential hopeful Pete Buttigieg over their past working relationship in Indiana and their differing views of religion in politics continued into Friday.

In separate interviews, Pence said as governor of Indiana he worked closely with Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend, Ind., and considered him “a friend.” Buttigieg said he’s “not interested in feuding” with Pence and is just pointing out the vice president’s discriminatory policies against the LGBTQ community.

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Buttigieg, who has seen a meteoric rise in popularity, has mentioned Pence several times in speeches that have received a lot of attention. He accused Pence of abandoning his morals by supporting a “porn star presidency” and that he wished Pence and others on the religious right understood that their quarrel over his being gay “is with my creator.”

Openly-gay Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg criticized President Trump and Vice President Pence at a LGBTQ Victory Fund event on April 7. (Video: Reuters)

“All of us have our own religious convictions. Pete has his convictions, I have mine, ” Pence said. “I hope that Pete will offer more to the American people than attacks on my Christian faith or attacks on the president as he seeks the highest office in the land.”

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Pence, asked again about Buttigieg’s comments and whether he considers being gay a sin, said, “I’m a Bible-believing Christian. I draw my truth from God’s word.”

Meanwhile, Buttigieg, in an interview Thursday with Ellen DeGeneres on her talk show, which will air Friday afternoon, said he’s not critical of Pence’s religion but rather how he uses his religion “as a justification to harm people and especially in the LGBTQ community.”

“If he wanted to clear this up, he could come out today and say he’s changed his mind, that it shouldn’t be legal to discriminate against anybody in this country for who they are, ” Buttigieg said.

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As governor, Pence backed legislation in 2015 that allowed businesses to refuse customers for religious reasons. Shortly thereafter, a pizza restaurant in the state said it would use the law as justification to never cater a gay wedding.

Buttigieg, who will officially announce his candidacy for president in South Bend on Sunday, is polling at 9 percent in Iowa, according to a recent Monmouth University poll. That puts him behind former vice president Joe Biden, who has 27 percent of Iowa Democrats’ support, and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who has 16 percent, but ahead of everyone else in the crowded field. Similarly, a poll by the New Hampshire Institute of Politics found that in that state, Biden had 23 percent, Sanders 16 percent and Buttigieg 11 percent.

Buttigieg often speaks of his faith in speeches, but distinguishes his Christianity from the religious right by pointing out that it is his faith that guides his progressive policy beliefs.

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“That doesn’t have to be anybody else’s understanding of religion, but it’s where Christianity takes me, ” Buttigieg told DeGeneres. “And that does have implications for how I behave in the political space.”1 of 4 Former Vice President Mike Pence, left, greets people while signing copies of his book "So Help Me God" before the start of a GOP fundraising dinner, Thursday, March 16, 2023, in Keene, N.H. (AP Photo/Steven Senne)1 of 4 Former Vice President Mike Pence, left, greets people while signing copies of his book "So Help Me God" before the start of a GOP fundraising dinner, Thursday, March 16, 2023, in Keene, N.H. (AP Photo/Steven Senne)

KEENE, N.H. (AP) — The husband of Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg said Thursday he hasn’t heard from Mike Pence in the days since the former vice president mocked his family, but will continue to hold him accountable for his words.

Chasten Buttigieg was asked on ABC’s “The View” whether Pence contacted him after joking at a dinner for journalists and politicians that Pete Buttigieg took “maternity leave” after he and his husband adopted newborn twins.

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“Pete is the only person in human history to have a child and everyone else gets postpartum depression, ” Pence said Saturday at the Gridiron Dinner.

Chasten Buttigieg, who said he doesn’t expect to hear from Pence, called the remarks “part of a much bigger trend attacking families.”

“I spoke up because we all have an obligation to hold people accountable for when they say something wrong, especially when it’s misogynistic, especially when it’s homophobic, and I just don’t take that when it’s towards my family, and I don’t think anyone else would, especially when you bring a very small, medically fragile child into it, ” he said.

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“The Gridiron Dinner is a roast. I had a lot of jokes directed to me, and I directed a lot of jokes to Republicans and Democrats, ” he told reporters. “The only thing I can figure is Pete Buttigieg not only can’t do his job, but he can’t take a joke.”Pete Buttigieg has been calling out Vice President Mike Pence and has revived one of the most persistent complaints about Pence’s attitude toward gays. (Video: Joy Sharon Yi/The Washington Post, Photo: Robert Franklin/South Bend Tribune via AP/The Washington Post)

“If me being gay was a choice, it was a choice that was made far, far above my pay grade. And that’s the thing I wish the Mike Pences of the world would understand. That if you got a problem with who I am, your problem is not with me — your quarrel, sir, is with my creator.”

“I’m not interested in feuding with the vice president, but if he wanted to clear this up, he could come out today and say he’s changed his mind that it shouldn’t be legal to discriminate against anybody in this country for who they are. That’s all.”

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Democratic presidential hopeful Pete Buttigieg has been calling out Vice President Pence for what he views as animus against gay rights. Buttigieg came out as gay when Pence was still governor of Indiana, after the two had tangled over Pence’s signing of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA). The law was signed in March 2015, and Buttigieg came out in June of that year.

Some advocates of the RFRA expressly said that it would allow businesses to refuse to support same-sex marriages, something Pence denied at the time, saying it only provided a mechanism for plaintiffs to challenge government actions or activities that threaten their beliefs. He even tweeted: “If I saw a restaurant owner refuse to serve a gay couple, I wouldn’t eat there anymore.”

Still, in response to the outcry over the law, Indiana lawmakers amended it to clarify that it did not authorize discrimination against gays. Then Pence came under attack from conservatives for caving.

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Buttigieg’s attacks have revived one of the most persistent complaints about Pence’s attitude toward gays — that he supposedly backed funding for conversion therapy, also known as “reparative therapy” or “sexual orientation change efforts” (SOCE). CNN, for instance, said Pence “signaled support” for such funding in its report on Buttigieg’s speech to the LGBTQ Victory Fund.

An American Psychological Association task force in 2009 extensively analyzed peer-reviewed literature and concluded that such methods were unlikely to be successful and could harm patients; 16 states and the District of Columbia have acted to ban such therapy.

Buttigieg’s staff insists that he’s not trying to raise the issue, saying his remarks on Pence are tied to the dispute over the RFRA. But when the Fact Checker asked whether Buttigieg believed Pence had backed conversion therapy, we received this response: “I don’t know what he believes about conversion therapy because he has never given a straight one.”

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There is little dispute that Pence has long been a skeptic of laws that seek to expand gay rights. He opposed same-sex marriage and supported a constitutional amendment that would have defined marriage as between a man and a woman. He opposed a law that would prohibit discrimination against LGBT people in the workplace. He opposed the repeal of the “don’t ask, don’t tell” military policy that prohibited soldiers from openly identifying as gay.

“Let me say emphatically this debate is not about discrimination, ” Pence, then a congressman, said in a 2006 floor speech supporting the marriage amendment. “I believe that if someone chooses another lifestyle than I have chosen, that that is their right in a free society.”

But the claim of supporting conversion therapy does not come from anything Pence ever said. Instead, it stems from an old campaign website that can only be found on the Wayback Machine. Nineteen years ago, when running for Congress, the Pence campaign website offered a “guide to renewing the American Dream.”

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The list of more than 100 proposals is standard playbook for a conservative running for Congress at the time, with many in tune with the platform of the Republican running for president in 2000, George W. Bush. In the section titled “Strengthening the American Family, ” there are three items regarding gay rights:

Congress should oppose any effort to

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